Homelessness: Tait, Moreno Term Public Exasperation As “Spreading Fear”

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District 3 Councilman Jose F. Moreno’s Homeless Policy Working Group held its first meeting this week. According to the agenda, it elected a chairperson, was briefed on the Brown Act and parliamentary procedure, reviewed the city’s homelessness policies, took public comments, and adjourned.

No word on whether working group member Mike Robbins continued to compare support for the anti-camping ordinance to the Nazi Holocaust, or whether Moreno cares that his appointee even cares that his appointee liked the great majority of his constituent to genocidal totalitarians. They’re probably too busy trying to figure out heretofore undiscovered “root causes.”

And while the working group jawbone, palaver and engage in intersectional dialogue, homeless encampments get bigger, the social pathologies that follow them grow and endanger neighborhoods in their sphere of impact.

Following are two videos of the Santa Ana River homeless towns posted by cyclists – one of whom can no longer safely enjoy it. One gentlemen wrote this heartfelt post about the ballooning Santa Ana River homeless town earlier this week:

He wrote:

“Our favorite place to ride bikes is the Santa Ana River Trail. It is a paved bike/running trail that runs all the way from Green River to Huntington Beach. It is a beautiful trail that gets heavy use from both runners and cyclists.

Because it is an isolated trail, there’s no car traffic to fight with. It’s always been a very safe place to be and I’ve felt comfortable letting Steven ride out ahead of me several miles and then I catch him. He rides alone and feels like a big shot and I don’t have to worry about him.

Steven did his first 25 mile ride here…going from Yorba Linda to the Beach on his little 20″ mountain bike when he was 6. He did his first 30 mile ride there. And his first 50. And his first metric Century (100 kilometers…about 62 miles), and was a big part of his Century ride (100 miles.)

Any time Steven wants to go for a long ride and not have to worry about getting killed by someone who thinks it is fun to crowd cyclists when they pass or people too busy on their phone to notice that they’ve drifted into the bike lane, he asks to go to SART.

SART has always been home to several small homeless camps, but they have never posed a threat to the other trail users.

Last year, the homeless population on the trail grew dramatically. Several local groups have been working hard donating time, money, and goods to try to help the homeless population. It’s been a particular concern during our particularly wet winter caused flooding along the trail.

I’d been hearing horror stories about how bad it has gotten but it had been a few months since we’d been out there and honestly I thought it was just people overreacting. I have a fairly high tolerance for riding in iffy situations, so I figured…no biggie.

Lisa and I rode the trail yesterday and what we witnessed was horrible on every possible level.

There are now literally MILES of post-apocalyptic tent cities lining the trail. The smell of urine and feces is overwhelming.

There are a number of reasons for the explosion in the homeless population in general and here on SART in particular, but among the most infuriating: LA has apparently been loading their homeless into busses and dumping them here on SART. Because nothing says “Liberal Compassion” like dumping the most miserable and vulnerable victims of your policies on someone else.

One curious thing is that much of the trail is still completely devoid of homeless camps. These areas all have signs posted saying no camping. We didn’t see any such signs in the areas with the camps. In fact, the Anaheim camps (it’s possible they’re all in Anaheim, but I’m not 100% clear on where the city limits are in relation to the trail) had areas designated with official looking signage for trash collection with most of the trash in identical official-looking trash bags. The whole thing felt like the city (or cities) where the camps are located are at the minimum being permissive of the camps and at worst they are encouraging them.

The trail is no longer safe. You used to be able to leave your bike leaning against a tree while you went to the bathroom. Now, the few bathrooms that are still open (several have been closed after being severely damaged by homeless people) are swarming with homeless and anything not under direct supervision gets stolen in a heartbeat. Drugs are everywhere and based on all the screaming and cursing we heard as we passed through, violence is probably common as well.

Trying to get our heads around this has been tough. Interviews with the homeless that show up from time to time in news stories are perplexing. Some say they prefer to live here than in a homeless shelter. And supposedly the city of Anaheim is offering “Free” (nothing is “free”…”Free” just means someone else has to pay) rehab…but you have to _want_ to be rehabbed, of course. I don’t know how many thousands of people are “living” here but this looks like something you’d see in a post-apocalyptic doomsday movie.

I’m attaching some picutes and videos to this post. They are horrifying, but they are not the worst that we saw. I wasn’t able to film the worst stuff because it was too sketchy and required both hands on the bars.

Here’s a highlight of what we witnessed:

* Dogs wandering around scrounging for food
* Multiple hypodermic needles on the ground right on the trail
* A man standing in the middle of the trail having a brutal fight…with nobody.
* A naked man standing next to the trail having a complete freak out.
* A couple standing in the trail screaming and cursing at each other.
* And my personal favorite for a trail I take my child to: a woman lying on her back on the embankment at the side of the trail having sex with a guy while two others waited in line.

Please remember these images the next time someone tells you how great the California economy is and how it is such a utopia of Liberal ideas.

The Facebook page Puff Rydaz posted this video a couple of days ago – a GoPro video of Anaheim resident Robel Gindaba another cyclist riding the Santa Ana River Trail from Katella Avenue south to the 22 Freeway:

Moreno and Mayor Tait and the small coterie of progressive homelessness “advocates” incessantly complain that this site is “spreading fear” with its coverage of homelessness.

And they are wrong. This site didn’t invent this crisis, but has been covering the reality of these encampments. This site isn’t responsible for these encampments, their conditions, nor the outrage and frustration they have engendered among taxpaying, law-abiding voters who exasperated at the manifest failure of their elected officials to ensure the law is enforced. They have run out of patience and at wit’s end with the failure of nerve on the part of local elected officials.

When the reaction of Moreno, Tait and their allies to the social media outpouring of testimony, frustration and anger is condescending hand-wringing about “spreading fear,” they reveal how detached they are from the people for whom they presume to be “the voice.” When Councilmembers Kris Murray, Lucille Kring and Steve Faessel act to re-affirm the city’s anti-camping ordinance in the face of calls by homeless activists to repeal it, Moreno and Tait respond with derision and lectures.

Public authorities are allowing illegal encampments to take root and grow on public land – making the public afraid to use public parks. These encampments are being used by criminals to prey upon adjacent neighborhoods and businesses, not to mention other homeless people. The encampments are getting bigger. The problem is getting worse. Reporting on that isn’t “spreading fear.” The fear already exists due to the paralysis of local elected leaders.

Enough is enough. Enforcing laws against living in parks doesn’t require discerning “root causes.” It requires the will the enforce the law in the face of ACLU opposition and media-backlash generated by progressive homeless activists.

36 comments

  1. What used to be Anaheim

    Dear God….we are the new Tiajuana. How can the Mayor think that’s ok? Don’t they know the tourists come here and leave with this information? EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS VIDEO!!!!!
    It will only grow more, if they don’t do anything.
    ANAHEIM IS ANGRY!

    Thank you for the video. But I think, my friends, it’s too late.

  2. Anaheim resident

    Thanks for posting how things really are and the lack of leadership that we are dealing with on this issue.
    We need an informal census on the people living there in order to have a solution. If LA county is evicting them or who ever is, where are they coming from ? we need to find out…step one. The Mayor and City Council has failed. The new $$$$ shelter they even have stated won’t help much. We needed action 4 years ago. Lastly I think we should move a few dozen tents in front of the city hall they have grass.

    I don’t see any video links….

  3. Worst video I’ve ever seen…and extremely accurate.

  4. Mayor Tait, invest in pooper scoopers and hand them out!

  5. HLarry Herschler

    Nothing that has not been said before. Move them golf the river trail and into Fairview or jail. They will get 3 hots and a cot. Bring back our river trail!!

    • Release the hounds and packs of coyotes! Time to turn things over to roving packs who would do much better than these humans who have flunked out of society.

      Every dog should have its day – those homeless humans had their chance now it is our turn!!!!

  6. If you build it they will come, if you allow it they will stay.THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE AND THE VIDEOS Now we much keep posting them both everywhere. What will make them deal with this situation is BAD PUBLICITY. Let all those tourists see what the city of kindness is really like. By posting and publishing this it is a no brainer that we will get action. They have pushed the problem to an area not as visible so we must all make it visible. I am so angry that our leaders refuse to lead. We need a strong council that will enforce all laws. Offer all the help they need and then enforce every law available. If you build it they will come, if you allow it they will stay. Someone needs to take their minutes at the next city council meeting and use it to play this for the council and the world to see.

  7. Send this to KFI

  8. Russel Bynum and Robel Gindaba send this please to KFI Radio maybe they can broadcast from there, at least they can discuss it and expose the real Anaheim, PLEASE

    • This article has been posted on KFI as top news. If prompted they may even broadcast from the River Trail. Each person down there needs all the help required to get them on their feet and out of there. If they will not take help that is different and needs to be addressed case by case.

      • Don’t be fooled. Those people do not want help. There are more than 100 shelters and facilities specifically designed to help the homeless in and around Orange county and they have plenty of room. Those people don’t like the idea of rules and not doing drugs, therefore they do not go to the shelters and do not want help.

        In case you doubt, here’s a list copied from the OC Register…
        Isaiah House Orange County Catholic Worker
        Families Forward Irvine, Casa Teresa Orange
        Colette’s Children’s Home
        The Courtyard, Orange Coast Interfaith Shelter
        Serving People, South County Outreach Lake Forest
        StepHouse Recovery, Fullerton City Lights – Single Room Occupancy
        Casa Teresa, Inc. Orange, Wiseplace Santa Ana
        His House Placentia – Homeless Transitional Shelter
        Serving People in Need (SPIN)
        We Care Of Los Alamitos
        Eli Home Transitional Housing for women
        New Directions For Women
        Halcyon Landing – Anaheim Interfaith Shelter – Halcyon
        A Safeplace Transitional Living Facility
        Salvation Army Shelter Santa Ana – Hospitality House
        Salvation Army Hospitality House Huntington Beach
        Fullerton Interfaith Emergency Services
        Fullerton Interfaith Shelter
        Fullerton, CA 92834
        Thomas House Temporary Shelter
        New Horizons Shelters of California
        Mercy House – Fullerton Armory
        Orange County Cold Weather Armory Emergency Shelter program
        Apartment living shelters.
        READY TO RECOVER HOME
        Department of Housing & Urban Development – HUD
        Women’s Transitional Living Center
        Santa Ana Housing Authority
        Unity House – Halfway House
        All’s Well Home – Recovery Home
        Casa Elena Woman’s Recovery Home
        Cooper Fellowship Residential Recovery
        Crossroads Transitional Housing Santa Ana
        D.A.R.T. Inc. (Drug Alcohol Recovery Team)
        Gerry House – Halfway House
        Glenhaven Halfway House San Clemente
        The Grace House – Halfway House Transitional Housing
        Heritage House Haflway House For Women
        Roque Center Halfway House
        The Salvation Army Adult Rehab Center
        Unidos Recovery Home Halfway House
        First Steps at Beverly’s House
        Straight Talk – Next Step Cypress
        Grandma’s House of Hope
        Harbor View Terrace Apartments – For Disabled
        Mary Erickson Community Housing
        Crittenton Services For Children & Families
        Good Shepherd Communities
        Costa Mesa Village Single Room Occupancy
        Irvine Inn – Single Room Occupancy Apartments
        Park Place Village – Single Room Apartments
        Sisters of St Joseph of Orange – Bethany Ministry
        Mary’s Shelter Transitional Housing
        New Vista Shelter Transitional Housing
        Precious Life Shelter
        Illumination Foundation Supportive Housing and Services
        Halfway Houses Inc Huntington Beach
        Orange County Housing Authority Santa Ana
        City Of Anaheim Housing Authority
        Santa Ana Housing Authority Santa Ana
        Garden Grove Housing Authority Garden Grove
        Friendship Shelter Laguna Beach – Homeless Shelter
        Thomas House Temporary Shelter
        The Sheepfold – Women’s Transitional Housing Shelter Orange
        Gilchrist House San Clemente
        Homeaid America Newport Beach
        South County Outreach Lake Forest
        The Teen Project Rancho Santa Margarita
        Orange County Community Housing Santa Ana
        Mercy House Transitional Living Center Santa Ana
        Community Housing Assistance Program Inc Orange
        Community Housing Assistance Corporation Newport Beach
        Jamboree Housing Corporation Irvine
        Orange County Community Housing Corp. Santa Ana
        Orange County Fair Housing Santa Ana
        Neighborhood Housing Services Inc Anaheim
        Santa Ana Neighborhood Housing Services, Inc. Santa Ana
        Garden Grove Housing Corporation Newport Beach
        Affordable Housing Clearinghouse Lake Forest
        Lutheran Social Services Of Southern California Orange
        Orange County Rescue Mission, Inc. Tustin
        Aids Services Foundation Orange County Irvine
        Friendly Center, Inc. Orange
        Project Dignity Garden Grove
        Garden Grove, CA 92840
        Veterans First Santa Ana
        Lauras House Ladera Ranch
        Orange County’s United Way Irvine
        Caritas Of Vista Irvine
        Savings Faith Ecumenical Churches Garden Grove
        Orangewood Childrens Foundation Santa Ana
        Christadelphian Joy Fund Huntingtn Beach
        Riverside Charitable Corporation Orange
        Pathways To Independence Los Alamitos
        Orange County Affordable Homeownership Alliance Irvine
        The Walking Shield American Indian Society Lake Forest
        Steps Of Hope Outreach Fullerton
        Seaview Lutheran Plaza Inc Corona Del Mar
        Homeless Veterans Stand Down Foundation Newport Beach
        Mary Christina Mercado Foundation Orange
        Rebuilding Together Orange County Tustin
        Neighborhood Housing Services Of Orange County Anaheim
        Springboard – Mission Viejo Mission Viejo
        Phoenix House Halfway House
        Roque Center Garden Grove Halfway House
        Stanton Halfway Home
        Orange County Halfway House Inc, Fullerton
        Mercy House – Guadalupe Residence
        Mercy House – Santa Ana Armory
        South County Outreach Sco – Transitional Housing Program
        Orange County Rescue Mission – Men’s New Life And Emergency Shelter (for Men)
        Orange County Rescue Mission – House Of Hope (for Women And Children)
        Orange County Rescue Mission – Hope Family Housing
        Community Services Programs – Youth Shelter Of Laguna Beach (for Ages 11 To 17)
        Community Services Programs – Youth Shelter Of Huntington Beach
        Casa Youth Shelter
        Laurel House (for Ages 12 To 17)
        Mercy House – San Miguel Residence
        Mercy House – Assisi House
        Mercy House – Joseph House (for Men)
        Mercy House – Regina House (for Women And Children)
        Mercy House – Emmanuel House (for Adults With Hiv/aids)

        I called a bunch of them. They have room…

  9. In all fairness, the videographer should do a “Ride By” of Mayor Tait’s house in Anaheim Hills, Jose Moreno’s FIVE BEDROOM house. We should really compare Greg Diamond, Cynthia Wards homes compared to these.

    This is a disgrace. Complete and total leadership failure by Tom Tait. REPEAT THAT. Complete and total leadership failure.

  10. Riverbed view lots are still available! But hurry, Tait’s free trail land won’t last! Sell your home, buy a 2 story tent for $900 and bank the equity.

  11. If the local police was able to arrive there on a daily basis to monitor the area it would highly keep criminal behavior down , The drugs out, while a more permanent solution can be found for the homeless people. At least in the SART they are all in one area, criminal behavior is contained to one specific area, and not out in the residential neighborhoods or parks. These people are probably those that were not able to recover from the recession and might need a little more time and or vocational training programs for assistance. This could be a great way for the city of Anaheim to show it’s humanitarian aid and start new programs to help these people get on their feet again.

  12. That sounds sweet, but I don’t think it’s the “recession”, or need a little “vocational training”. Most of these people are SERIOUSLY addicted, many criminal, and mentally incapable. They need to NOT be given “choices”. That’s the problem.

    • Right, Abe. I’m sure the naked man yelling at himself just needs vocational training. We need stronger mental health laws and facilities.
      And sorry Carmen, Disney isn’t an elected official. It’s not their problem to solve nor their financial responsibility!

  13. Disneyland??? WTF? You may be bi-polar.

  14. A lot of these food programs are NO WHERE NEAR the homes of the people saying they love to help. I respectfully discourage passing out phones, water, gifts etc to them. If you do, don’t complain, just invite them to your backyard to camp.NOT OURS.
    Do you realize how many of them jumped into the pools and spas of homeowners to bathe? I love the thinking the advocates have fighting to get them to open our childrens parks and bathrooms for them to camp at, but would NEVER invite the to THEIR backyard. Why?? Because it’s dangerous.

  15. Drove by our park and a man standing beside his car totally packed with one bike strapped on top and one next to him. The bike on top looked like a fancy racing bike.

  16. I don’t like some of the comments from the guys on this video, but spend a second or two; watch and realize the forgotten families.

    It’s very sad we’re seeing big cities turn into increasingly large disaster areas for low income and mentally ill people.

    Their are many obvious reasons…lack of affordable housing, the deinstitutionalization movement in state mental health systems…reasons we like to broadly define.

    I argue it comes down to a growing number of families and people like myself who get caught up in day to day life.

    It’s going to take a village, an outpouring of love, and making this a personal priority for many brothers/sisters before our social problems ever get better.

    Take a second today to think about someone you forgot.

  17. Josh- VERY WELL SAID. The video is important, the article is important but the commentary may have been from someone who does not understand all sides of the issue. The video is important to shine the light on the issue itself and the help that is needed. The city needs to organize the help and go case by case and help each and every person. The city needs to make the River Bed safe for all, those living on the trail, exercising on the trail, living by the trail or working by the trail, while working on a solution.

  18. Ummm….no. Allowing anyone to live in a NON designated for living area is a crime. The worst thing they can do to these people is allow them more exceptions to laws. They need to go to the waiting beds of the shelter.

    I understand both sides, that being said, they need to follow the law. Like we do.

    • What if there is not enough waiting beds in shelters. Yes we need to follow the law but what if they were waiting for beds to open up? This is all of our problems.

      • You’re never going to be able to build a shelter whose bed count is able to,fluctuate with the homeless population count.
        That being said, between shelters, govt aid, churches and non profits there is an abundance of assistance.
        A good chunk of them have significant mental health issues and drug addictions. That’s a good place to start.
        Encampments, trespassing and law breaking is never a solution- temporary or otherwise.
        When all of the so called advocates start opening their own doors to help folks, I’ll give what they spew at council meetings some credence.

      • Send em back to where they came from. Anaheim can hardly embrace the homeless from all ends of the earth – keep building shelters and enabling the sprawl of transients and you will eventually doom urban areas. Society has funded long term efforts to socialize all – it is called public education. Mandate order, participation, and function or sorry no room and board on public land with rotating handouts that perpetuate underlying and untreated problems!

        Dogs such as me learn to behave decently – why can’t humans?

      • There are plenty of beds… Start calling… I did…

        Isaiah House Orange County Catholic Worker
        Families Forward Irvine, Casa Teresa Orange
        Colette’s Children’s Home
        The Courtyard, Orange Coast Interfaith Shelter
        Serving People, South County Outreach Lake Forest
        StepHouse Recovery, Fullerton City Lights – Single Room Occupancy
        Casa Teresa, Inc. Orange, Wiseplace Santa Ana
        His House Placentia – Homeless Transitional Shelter
        Serving People in Need (SPIN)
        We Care Of Los Alamitos
        Eli Home Transitional Housing for women
        New Directions For Women
        Halcyon Landing – Anaheim Interfaith Shelter – Halcyon
        A Safeplace Transitional Living Facility
        Salvation Army Shelter Santa Ana – Hospitality House
        Salvation Army Hospitality House Huntington Beach
        Fullerton Interfaith Emergency Services
        Fullerton Interfaith Shelter
        Fullerton, CA 92834
        Thomas House Temporary Shelter
        New Horizons Shelters of California
        Mercy House – Fullerton Armory
        Orange County Cold Weather Armory Emergency Shelter program
        Apartment living shelters.
        READY TO RECOVER HOME
        Department of Housing & Urban Development – HUD
        Women’s Transitional Living Center
        Santa Ana Housing Authority
        Unity House – Halfway House
        All’s Well Home – Recovery Home
        Casa Elena Woman’s Recovery Home
        Cooper Fellowship Residential Recovery
        Crossroads Transitional Housing Santa Ana
        D.A.R.T. Inc. (Drug Alcohol Recovery Team)
        Gerry House – Halfway House
        Glenhaven Halfway House San Clemente
        The Grace House – Halfway House Transitional Housing
        Heritage House Haflway House For Women
        Roque Center Halfway House
        The Salvation Army Adult Rehab Center
        Unidos Recovery Home Halfway House
        First Steps at Beverly’s House
        Straight Talk – Next Step Cypress
        Grandma’s House of Hope
        Harbor View Terrace Apartments – For Disabled
        Mary Erickson Community Housing
        Crittenton Services For Children & Families
        Good Shepherd Communities
        Costa Mesa Village Single Room Occupancy
        Irvine Inn – Single Room Occupancy Apartments
        Park Place Village – Single Room Apartments
        Sisters of St Joseph of Orange – Bethany Ministry
        Mary’s Shelter Transitional Housing
        New Vista Shelter Transitional Housing
        Precious Life Shelter
        Illumination Foundation Supportive Housing and Services
        Halfway Houses Inc Huntington Beach
        Orange County Housing Authority Santa Ana
        City Of Anaheim Housing Authority
        Santa Ana Housing Authority Santa Ana
        Garden Grove Housing Authority Garden Grove
        Friendship Shelter Laguna Beach – Homeless Shelter
        Thomas House Temporary Shelter
        The Sheepfold – Women’s Transitional Housing Shelter Orange
        Gilchrist House San Clemente
        Homeaid America Newport Beach
        South County Outreach Lake Forest
        The Teen Project Rancho Santa Margarita
        Orange County Community Housing Santa Ana
        Mercy House Transitional Living Center Santa Ana
        Community Housing Assistance Program Inc Orange
        Community Housing Assistance Corporation Newport Beach
        Jamboree Housing Corporation Irvine
        Orange County Community Housing Corp. Santa Ana
        Orange County Fair Housing Santa Ana
        Neighborhood Housing Services Inc Anaheim
        Santa Ana Neighborhood Housing Services, Inc. Santa Ana
        Garden Grove Housing Corporation Newport Beach
        Affordable Housing Clearinghouse Lake Forest
        Lutheran Social Services Of Southern California Orange
        Orange County Rescue Mission, Inc. Tustin
        Aids Services Foundation Orange County Irvine
        Friendly Center, Inc. Orange
        Project Dignity Garden Grove
        Garden Grove, CA 92840
        Veterans First Santa Ana
        Lauras House Ladera Ranch
        Orange County’s United Way Irvine
        Caritas Of Vista Irvine
        Savings Faith Ecumenical Churches Garden Grove
        Orangewood Childrens Foundation Santa Ana
        Christadelphian Joy Fund Huntingtn Beach
        Riverside Charitable Corporation Orange
        Pathways To Independence Los Alamitos
        Orange County Affordable Homeownership Alliance Irvine
        The Walking Shield American Indian Society Lake Forest
        Steps Of Hope Outreach Fullerton
        Seaview Lutheran Plaza Inc Corona Del Mar
        Homeless Veterans Stand Down Foundation Newport Beach
        Mary Christina Mercado Foundation Orange
        Rebuilding Together Orange County Tustin
        Neighborhood Housing Services Of Orange County Anaheim
        Springboard – Mission Viejo Mission Viejo
        Phoenix House Halfway House
        Roque Center Garden Grove Halfway House
        Stanton Halfway Home
        Orange County Halfway House Inc, Fullerton
        Mercy House – Guadalupe Residence
        Mercy House – Santa Ana Armory
        South County Outreach Sco – Transitional Housing Program
        Orange County Rescue Mission – Men’s New Life And Emergency Shelter (for Men)
        Orange County Rescue Mission – House Of Hope (for Women And Children)
        Orange County Rescue Mission – Hope Family Housing
        Community Services Programs – Youth Shelter Of Laguna Beach (for Ages 11 To 17)
        Community Services Programs – Youth Shelter Of Huntington Beach
        Casa Youth Shelter
        Laurel House (for Ages 12 To 17)
        Mercy House – San Miguel Residence
        Mercy House – Assisi House
        Mercy House – Joseph House (for Men)
        Mercy House – Regina House (for Women And Children)
        Mercy House – Emmanuel House (for Adults With Hiv/aids)

  19. When is Moreno going to shame Tait for voting on the camping ordinance like he did to Jordan Brandman? Whatever Tom wants, he gets. Jose shines Tait’s shoes and does whatMishal says to do

    • No need to be mean spirited toward those decent humans. Even dogs deserve better treatment! Trust me I speak from experience beging one!

  20. Thanks for putting this blog up. I’m encouraged that most people relying are normal citizens who want our government to do there job. I have something to add here. I haves lived here 32 years but I am from Iowa. Most states do not allow people to collect bottles and cans for recycling. All containers must be washed, sealed and re termed to the grocery store. No one can return more than 3 dozen containers at one time. Every thing there is neat and orderly. No creepy, stinky recycling places in parking lots. Those people on the river beds will tell you they don’t need rehab for a job they thinks gathering cans out of people’s trash cans is a job!!!! That’s not a job. The city loses revenue when they are doing that! We have to end the recycling business and it will dry up there excuse for living this way.

  21. Homeless pacification is not compassion or kindness – it is equal to the madness that the homeless themselves suffer from with abundance (along with many criminal records and behavior). Those who cry “dont’ criminalize the homeless” fail to realize quite conveniently that the homeless to a great job of criminalizing themselves – and victimizing surroundings as they spew their filth and misery in a wide arc.

    Even a dawg such as I am realize that just as kennels are places where dogs can lose their minds, spirit and build aggression to vent on the rest of society, homeless “pacification” is nothing but the same. Transport and manage the growing homeless “conditions” to non urban areas with collective regional public, private and not for profit coordination. Simple. A human pound!

    Take a dawg’s word for it dear, simple humans!

  22. I attended the Orange fourm on homelessness, hosted by Mike Alverez. Wow. What a difference from our neighbor to the West. No crazy out of town activists. No ACLU threats. No silly Alfresco Garden suggestions.

    Instead CONCERNED, PASSIONATE, HARD WORKING residents debated this issue.

    There is MUCH leadership in Orange on this subject/problem. Unlike Anaheim, where the mayor and current council majority are prostrate, some great suggestions were put forth.

    It is impossible to believe that these folks who have worked HARD, wear shoes and pay taxes. A lot of taxes are filled with hate and rage as described.

    • Actually, there were a few out-of-town activists – the Robbins, Lou Noble and a few of their allies – there who kinda dominated the discussion for a few minutes. They only succeeded in rubbing the residents there the wrong way.

      Otherwise, you described it very accurately.

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